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		<title>By: BceмиpныйAнгeл</title>
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		<dc:creator>BceмиpныйAнгeл</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Интересно. Вообще чтение вашего блога это не просто глупое просматривание разных тем или чтениевсякой ерунды про то, чем человек сегодня занимался, а нахождение реально занимательной информации.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Интересно. Вообще чтение вашего блога это не просто глупое просматривание разных тем или чтениевсякой ерунды про то, чем человек сегодня занимался, а нахождение реально занимательной информации.</p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Novell &#187; Links 24/11/2008: Compiz 0.8; Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha; Fedora 10 Coming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boycott Novell &#187; Links 24/11/2008: Compiz 0.8; Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha; Fedora 10 Coming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GoblinX Project &#187; Newsletter Issue 175, News &#38; Note</title>
		<link>http://www.siltala.net/2008/11/21/telepathic-desktop/comment-page-1/#comment-29238</link>
		<dc:creator>GoblinX Project &#187; Newsletter Issue 175, News &#38; Note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: topyli</title>
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		<dc:creator>topyli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@txttechdog: Thanks for your throrough and well written reponse. Your concern seems similar to Peter&#039;s above. However, my suggestion was not about forcing you to use a method of communication pre-selected for you by the system. It is about making your address book (or &quot;people browser&quot;) aware of people&#039;s presence and making appropriate communication methods available to you at any time. You could choose to send email even if the person is available for voice calls.

I don&#039;t think you would lose anything if your evolution data server talked to Telepathy and told you whether or not people are online. It would not dumb down your interface, it would make it richer.

The graphical interface itself being Evolution or a set of separate mini-interfaces would hopefully remain a matter of choice, even though something does have to be the default option.

Realistically, Evolution is not likely to go away any time soon. My hopes rely on enriching the Telepathy-based apps such as Empathy by making them and e-d-s talk to each other and extending the telepathic interfaces to email and complete address databases, not about removing existing options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@txttechdog: Thanks for your throrough and well written reponse. Your concern seems similar to Peter&#8217;s above. However, my suggestion was not about forcing you to use a method of communication pre-selected for you by the system. It is about making your address book (or &#8220;people browser&#8221;) aware of people&#8217;s presence and making appropriate communication methods available to you at any time. You could choose to send email even if the person is available for voice calls.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you would lose anything if your evolution data server talked to Telepathy and told you whether or not people are online. It would not dumb down your interface, it would make it richer.</p>
<p>The graphical interface itself being Evolution or a set of separate mini-interfaces would hopefully remain a matter of choice, even though something does have to be the default option.</p>
<p>Realistically, Evolution is not likely to go away any time soon. My hopes rely on enriching the Telepathy-based apps such as Empathy by making them and e-d-s talk to each other and extending the telepathic interfaces to email and complete address databases, not about removing existing options.</p>
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		<title>By: txtechdog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another idea that dumbs down the interface.

I don&#039;t agree with this approach because as others have stated, when I want to contact someone, I want to do so in a particular way.  I choose the contact method based on a multitude of factors, including the personality, ethnicity, and comprehension level of the person I am trying to communicate with.  I work with many people in India and often have a hard time understanding their voice because of accents.  Most of these people are highly intelligent and we can communicate effectively in e-mail or IM, but because of the difficulty I have with their accents, not over the phone.  So if I am going to contact a person who I know has a thick accent, I choose either e-mail or IM depending on the content to be communicated.  On top of that, there are certain people who I just don&#039;t like to talk to because their personality rubs me the wrong way.  I can communicate with them politely and effectively in non-verbal ways, but if I speak with them on the phone, my dislike of them might be conveyed in my tone, impeding communication.

While I respect your opinion that communication should be people centric and not application centric, your opinion is just that, an opinion and in my application centric opinion, the approach you advocate would make me less, not more productive.

I also think that the rant about Firefox including the application name in the title bar is too cynical.  I believe that the reason it is there is just as likely to be the following.  Because not all browsers are created equal and there are rendering quirks with each of them, web developers often need to check their pages in multiple browsers.  So by tagging the title bar with the browser name, it make it immediately obvious which browser is rendering a particular page.  It may be also there for the reasons you stated, but I find it unfortunate that you automatically ascribe negative motives to it without considering that the programmer who added this bit of code may have just been trying to help people like me to work more efficiently.

I am not opposed to having an option to use a computer in the method you describe as long as you make it optional.  I like Evolution the way it currently is.  The beauty of open source is that you could implement your idea with a Evolution-lite that is independent of Evolution and we can both be happy.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t agree with this approach because as others have stated, when I want to contact someone, I want to do so in a particular way.  I choose the contact method based on a multitude of factors, including the personality, ethnicity, and comprehension level of the person I am trying to communicate with.  I work with many people in India and often have a hard time understanding their voice because of accents.  Most of these people are highly intelligent and we can communicate effectively in e-mail or IM, but because of the difficulty I have with their accents, not over the phone.  So if I am going to contact a person who I know has a thick accent, I choose either e-mail or IM depending on the content to be communicated.  On top of that, there are certain people who I just don&#8217;t like to talk to because their personality rubs me the wrong way.  I can communicate with them politely and effectively in non-verbal ways, but if I speak with them on the phone, my dislike of them might be conveyed in my tone, impeding communication.</p>
<p>While I respect your opinion that communication should be people centric and not application centric, your opinion is just that, an opinion and in my application centric opinion, the approach you advocate would make me less, not more productive.</p>
<p>I also think that the rant about Firefox including the application name in the title bar is too cynical.  I believe that the reason it is there is just as likely to be the following.  Because not all browsers are created equal and there are rendering quirks with each of them, web developers often need to check their pages in multiple browsers.  So by tagging the title bar with the browser name, it make it immediately obvious which browser is rendering a particular page.  It may be also there for the reasons you stated, but I find it unfortunate that you automatically ascribe negative motives to it without considering that the programmer who added this bit of code may have just been trying to help people like me to work more efficiently.</p>
<p>I am not opposed to having an option to use a computer in the method you describe as long as you make it optional.  I like Evolution the way it currently is.  The beauty of open source is that you could implement your idea with a Evolution-lite that is independent of Evolution and we can both be happy.</p>
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