From the recent minor Ubuntu “crisis”, I have managed to distill some good bits too. Here’s one from Mark: “If you’ve done what you want for Ubuntu, then move on.”[1] I think this is great advice. Why loiter around making useless noise when a community and its project change in ways you’re not comfortable with?

To add balance, I myself have received from Ubuntu what I came for in 2004, and much, much more. I’m not very interested in any of the Special Ubuntu Stuff that we’ve been receiving in the last couple of years. I came for an easy Debian-like system with a reliable release cycle (and latest GNOME!), but Debian itself is much better with this stuff now, so there’s no reason really to keep using Ubuntu (and to keep stripping all the Ubuntu niceties and adding GNOME goodies).

Not sure what I should do, this is just a point that stood out. It’s even in our Code of Conduct. “Step down considerately.”[2]

In any case, there are a couple of things I’ve actually committed myself to doing this year, so that’s what I’m going to do first – with minimal whineage, I promise! Who knows what I’ll be thinking this December, we’re just getting warm for this year!



4 Responses to “When you’re done”

  1. keithzg on March 8th, 2013 21:37

    Why loiter around making useless noise when a community and its project change in ways you’re not comfortable with?

    If you’re referring at all to the Kubuntu devs, it’s not at all a matter of ‘just stepping down’; it’s a distinct distribution with its own character, and universally useful applications (like Muon, which is providing KDE and Qt with a package manager to actually rival Synaptic). The question isn’t about walking away and letting Ubuntu be, it’s the question of whether Kubuntu can continue to exist based on Ubuntu, and if not if it should migrate.

    I’m only speaking as a user here, but for me Kubuntu is the opposite of your own situation. You’re looking for an up-to-date and reliably-released Gnome-atop-Debian, and thus the moves that Ubuntu has done over the last few years haven’t interested you. For me I was looking for an up-to-date and reliably-released KDE-atop-Debian, and over the last few years the work that the Kubuntu devs have done has been increasingly upstreamed and beneficial for KDE as a desktop in general.

    The move to Mir, along with other bits and pieces, potentially threatens the viability of KDE. So I think the statements and points that folks like Harold Sitter and Johnathan Riddell have made are worthwhile to make. Not to mention Martin Gräßlin, who as the KWin maintainer seems quite right to chime in to reply to Shuttleworth’s claim that he has “absolutely no doubt that Kwin will work just fine on top of Mir”.

    I commented on Mark’s blog that “As someone who loves the Ubuntu base but loves KDE above all else, I know that I, and many others, will hold you to that Mark.” Unsurprisingly, although it would’ve been the third comment in that entry, it’s still “awaiting moderation”.

    Just my 2 cents as a user from the KDE side of the Ubuntu community.

  2. foo on March 9th, 2013 06:52

    All of Debian could use some more help!

    Even the Debian KDE team!

  3. Tm_T on March 9th, 2013 12:34

    I don’t believe referred to Kubuntu but the turmoil going on in Ubuntu community as a whole.

  4. b3245v7uert on March 12th, 2013 19:04

    >(and to keep stripping all the Ubuntu niceties and adding GNOME goodies).
    Oh, it’s like as if I’d written it myself:) I remember ‘stripping’ in 10.4, then 10.10, then 11.04, around which the ammount of stuff to be removed got just impossible to bear. Also, I remember it’s around pre-11.10 when Ubuntu said goodbye to Synaptic in favor of that something they use. To make matters hotter (and harder), I don’t even use gnome, but ion3/notion since 2009. So I had even more to remove each time.
    So finally, I backed up my dotfiles, all the settings, made a safe home partition, then just killed ubuntu, switched to debian testing and after 1 hour of setup I was free from that every 6 moth feeling that “oh no, it’s coming again”:)
    At the same time, I understand ubuntu’s moves, if you want to have fancy refrigerators with Unity it’s ok for me, but:
    -Software center
    -binary blobs
    all this together is just suffering:)

    why suffer?